The decisive factor:
To make the faith entrusted to us
shine forth beyond any ideological conflicts
Interview with the new CDF Prefect
by Astrid Haas
Translated from the 7/26/12 issue of
"Faith is characterized by maximum openness. It is a personal relationship with God which carries in it all the treasures of knowledge. That is why our finite reason is always moving towards the infinite God. We can always learn something new and understand with more profundity the richness of Revelation, which we could never exhaust".
So says the new Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Archbishop Gerhard Ludwig Müller, in a long conversation with this writer and the editor of the newspaper. During the meeting at the Palazzo del Sant'Uffizio, Mons. Müller also spoke of his arrival at the CDF, how he decided to become a priest, his time as a professor of theology and as a bishop, and his repeated travels to Latin America.
he also explained that he learned to know and appreciate Joseph Ratzinger originally from his
Introduction to Christianity which was a bestseller when it first came out in 1968.
Tell us your first impressions of the new job, in an environment to which your are no stranger, after all, having been for many years a bishop-member of the CDF itself and of other dicasteries in the Roman Curia.
For five years, as a member of the CDF, I was able to take part in regular meetings of its cardinal and bishop members, and had admired the dicastery's conscientious and collegial work. So the tasks are not unknown to me. For many years, I was also part of the International Theological Commission, and worked with other dicasteries.
Overall, nonetheless, many things are new and unusual for me. I will need some time to orient myself in the complex structure of the Curia. Of course, what is most new for me is to be the Prefect. As a member, I studied in depth all documents prepared by the Congregation and took part in consultations. But now, I must carry out and guide the daily work, and prepare all decisions correctly.
I am grateful to the Holy Father for having shown his confidence in me and entrusting this job to me. The problems we face are great, if we look at the universal Church, with the many challenges to face and a certain discouragement in some circles which we must overcome.
We also have the problem of groups - from the left and from the right, as one usually labels them - who take up much time and attention. Here, there is an easy risk of losing sight somehow of our primary task, which is to announce the Gospel and explain the doctrine of the Church concretely.
We are convinced that there is no alternative to the revelation of God in Jesus Christ. Revelation responds to the great questions of man throughout time. What is the sense of my life? How can I face suffering? Is there a hope beyond death when life is so brief and difficult?
We are convinced that the secular and immanentist vision is not enough. It cannot give us any convincing answers. For which Revelation is a great relief, as we do not need to seek answers at any cost. But our capacity is great enough to make the human being
capax infiniti. In Christ, the infinite God revealed himself to us. Christ is the answer to our most profound questions. And so we can face the future with joy and strength.
Much has been written about you mow. Would you like to tell us something about yourself, your family, your studies, your decision to become a priest, and your experience as a theology professor and then as bishop.
My father was for almost 40 years a simple laborer at Opel in Ruesselsheim. We lived nearby in Mainz-Fithen, a small place that was founded by the Romans, and where one can still see the ruins of an ancient aqueduct. From this viewpoint, our basic background was Roman. In Mainz, there are still a great many people conscious of this heritage, about which we are proud. To have a Roman horizon in the heart of Germany has left its mark. When one is Catholic, the two realities link automatically.
My mother was a housewife. I am grateful to my parents for having educated us in a normal way, without exaggerating one way or the other. e grew up in the Catholic faith and its practices, with the right balance between freedoms and responsibilities, and with clear principles. I continue to be in full agreement with what my parents believed.
Then I went on to theological studies thanks to which I acquired a more profound dimension of the faith. For my decision to become a priest, it was important that I continually met priests who led an exemplary spiritual life, with intellectual rigor. In this respect, there was never any contradiction between my studies and being a priest.
I was always convinced that the Catholic faith corresponded to the most elevated intellectual demands and that we should not hide this. The Church can boast of many great figures in the history of culture. That is why we can respond with certainty to the great challenges of the natural sciences, of history, of sociology, of politics.
Faith is characterized by maximum openness. It is a personal relationship with God which carries in it all the treasures of knowledge. That is why our finite reason is always moving towards the infinite God. We can always learn something new and understand with more profundity the richness of Revelation, which we could never exhaust.
As a bishop, I continued to underscore to seminarians that the vocation to priesthood requires an encounter with authentic priests. Faith begins with personal encounters, starting with our parents, priests, friends, in the parish, in the diocese, int he great family that is the universal Church. That they should never fear intellectual confrontation - we do not have a blind faith, but faith cannot be reduced in a rationalistic way.
I wish for everyone the same experience as I had - that of identifying myself simply and without any problems with the Catholic faith and to practise it. It is a beautiful thing.
Pope Benedict has entrusted to you the publication of his complete writings [as Joseph Ratzinger], and has even turned over to you his Roman apartment where he lived until he became Pope, and which still has many of his books. How did you get to know Joseph Ratzinger?
As a young student, I read his
Introduction to Christianity. It was published in 1968 and we absorbed it like sponges. In those years, there was much uncertainty in the seminaries. But in the book, the Church's profession of faith was presented convincingly, analyzed with reason and masterfully explained. Everything that characterizes the entire theological work of Joseph Ratzinger -
fides et ratio, faith and reason.
Then I came to meet him and learned to appreciate him as a person. In my work as a professor and then as bishop, he was a support and a clear reference point. I would call him a paternal friend, since he is more than a generation older.
I believe that I have not come to Rome to burden him with various issues. My task is to relieve him of part of his task and not to bring him problems that can be resolved at our level. The Holy Father has the important mission of announcing the Gospel and confirming his brothers and sisters in the faith.
It is for us who work with him to deal with all the less pleasant questions, so he is not burdened with them, even as we have to keep him informed of the essentials.
Shortly before the end of Vatican II, Paul VI transformed the Holy Office into the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith. What do you think of that change and the role of the dicastery today?
The Church is, above all, a community of faith, and therefore, revealed faith is its most important asset, something we must transmit, announce and protect. Jesus entrusted to Peter and his successors the universal Magisterium, and this is what the CDF must serve. Thus, it has the responsibility for everything that concerns the Church most profoundly: the faith that leads to salvation and to communion with God and among ourselves.
I think the most important aspect of the changeover in 1965 was not about the relation between the CDF and other institutions of the Holy See, but the principal orientation of its work. Pope Paul VI wished the positive aspect to be in the foreground - the Congregation should first of all make the faith understandable - this is the decisive factor.
Then, there is the fact that the faith must be defended from errors and degradation. In our time, we need hope and the signals to relaunch our faith. If we look at the world, especially the European countries, which are those I am most familiar with naturally, we see many politicians and economists who do extraordinary things. But they are not the ones to look to when it has to do with transmitting hope and confidence.
In this, I see one of the great tasks of the CDF and of the Church in general. We should rediscover how to make the faith shine forth once more as a positive force, as a force for hope and as the potential to overcome conflicts and tensions, so we can continue to encounter each other in our common profession of the one and triune God.
The Pope's concern to announce the faith is well-known. And he has expressed this even through the institution of the Pontifical Council for Promoting the New Evangelization and in decreeing a Year of Faith. What are the plans of the CDF?
Faith is realized in the Holy Mass, in Christian life, in families. We actually can only provide support.
Many texts already exist for children, young people and adults, besides theological studies and the documents of the Magisterium.The next Synodal Assembly should give the participants and the whole Church a new impetus for transmitting the faith. I consider it my personal task to encourage bishops and theologians in this sense. We should be able to reinforce each other.
The Lord himself told Peter: Confirm your brothers and sisters. Though this goes most especially for the Pope, it is for all those who announce the faith. It is important that they stay on the terrain of faith, to draw directly from its sources - from Scriptures, the Fathers of the Church, the documents of the various Councils and Popes, the great theologians and spiritual writers.
When this does not happen, everything will be arid and empty. But when the faith is accepted with joy and determination, life is born. Scriptures gives us some beautiful images: the light on a candlestick, the salt that gives flavor to everything, the Gospel as a yeast and ferment for the world.
As a diocesan bishop, or a priest who must care for souls, one must meet persons face to face. One sees them concretely in their life situations. One cannot announce the Gospel to them if one does not also love them, and sees each one as a mystery who is the image and likeness of God. One must continue to repeat that Christ died on the cross for us. We know that our vocation is to be friends of God and in this way, to discover the hope for which we are destined. This makes all doubts disappear from the heart. Even the atheists and enemies of the Church should perhaps start asking themselves self-critically whether they have means of salvation to offer men today.
You have many contacts in Latin America. How did this relationship come about?
I have visited Latin America many times - not just Peru but other nations. In 1988, I was invited to take part in a seminar with Gustavo Gutierrez. I attended with some reservation as a German theologian, especially since I was very familiar with the two declarations of the CDF on liberation theology issued in 1094 and 1986.
And I saw that one should distinguish between a correct liberation theology and the wrong one. I believe that every good theology has to do with the freedom and glory of the children of God. Of course, one must reject any mixture of the Marxist doctrine of self-salvation with salvation by God.
On the other hand, we must ask ourselves sincerely: How can we speak about the love and mercy of God to people who are suffering because they do not have food, water and health care, who cannot offer a future to their children, who really lack conditions for human dignity, whose human rights are ignored by the powers that be?
Ultimately, this is possible only if one is prepared to live among them, to accept them as brothers and sisters, without an attitude of paternalism. If we consider ourselves as the family of God, we must contribute so that this situations unworthy of human beings can be changed and improved.
In Europe, after the Second World War and the totalitarian dictatorships, we built a new democratic society, thanks in large part to the social doctrine of the Church. As Christians, we must underscore that the values of justice, solidarity and human dignity were introduced to our Constitutions from Christianity.
I come from Mainz where, at the start of the 19th century,a great bishop, Baron Wilhelm Emmanuel von Ketteler, who had something to do with the beginnings of social doctrine and social encyclicals. A Catholic child from Main has social passion in his blood, and I am proud of that. This was certainly the perspective with which I have been visiting Latin America. In the past 15 years, I have been there two or three months every year, living in very simple conditions.
In the beginning, it meant a great effort for a citizen from central Europe. But when one begins to know the people as persons and see how they live, then it becomes easy.
I have also been to South Africa with our Domspatzen, the famous boys choir led by the Pope's brother for 30 years. I have given lectures in various universities and seminars not just in Latin America but in Europe and North America.
But what I experienced was that I felt at home everywhere. Wherever there is an altar, Christ is present, and wherever you go, you are part of the great family of God/
What do you think about the discussions with the Lefebvrians and the American sisters?
For the future of the 'Church, it is important to overcome ideological conflicts wherever they arise. There is one revelation of God in Jesus Christ that has been entrusted to the whole Church. And so there can be no negotiations about the Word of God- one cannot believe and not believe at the same time.
One cannot make the triple religious vow [poverty, chastity and obedience] and not take it seriously. One cannot cite the tradition of the Church and then accept it only in part. The journey of the Church moves on, and everyone is asked not to be closed off in a self-referential mindset, but accept the full life and the full faith of the Church.
In the Catholic Church, it has always been evident that man and woman have the same value - the story of Creation says so, and this is confirmed by the order of salvation. The human being does not need top emancipate himself, to create himself, or to self-invent himself. he is already emancipated and liberated through the grace of God.
Many declarations about the admission of women to priesthood ignore an important aspect of the priestly ministry. To be a priest does not mean creating a position for oneself. One cannot consider the priestly ministry as a position of earthly power and think that emancipation means everyone can be a priest.
The Catholic faith knows that we do not dictate the conditions for being admitted to the priestly ministry and that the will and the call of Christ is always behind every priesthood. I call on everyone to renounce polemics and ideology in order too immerse themselves in the doctrine of the Church.
In the United States, religious orders have extraordinary things in the education and formation of young people. Christ needs young people who follow this path and see that it reflects their own fundamental choice.
The Second Vatican Council has affirmed marvellous things in order to renew religious life, as well as for the common vocation to holiness. It is importanjt to reinforce reciprocal trust rather than work against each other.
Other than Cardinal Rafael Merry del Val [British-born Spaniard] from 1914 to 1930, the CDF had always been led by Italians. After 1965, it has been under non-Italians - Franjo Seper (Croatian), Joseph Ratzinger, William Levada and now you. What does this tendency show?
In the past, it was not possible to travel easily, so the persons iont he Curia tended to come from Rome and surrounding areas, or Italy in general. Today, modernity help us to live quite concretely the Church's catholicity.
But since the primacy of the Pope is linked to the Church of Rome, there are still many Italians in the Curia. Its internationalization has to do with the Church's catholicity. Even during the Roman Empire, there were many Christians in Rome and even Popes coming from other places, many from the East.
Today, as then, we are members of one family in the Church, and we must be the motor of authentic progress for mankind. No other institution has this international dimension which embraces all mankind and that is so committed for the unity of all persons and peoples.
Wherever we celebrate the Eucharist, we share the most intimate part of our belief, and we have the same communion of life with Christ, even if we have different cultures and languages. We feel right away that we are one, members of one body who together constitute the temple of God. In a way it is a prolongation of Pentecost - we come from different nations but we praise God all together, and we can listen to the Word of God in our own language. Adn the Holy Spirit speaks to uns in the language of love which unites us all in God, our Father.